Police Commissioners Talk

edited November 2012 in General Wivenhoe Talk
A reminder that WivSoc has a Q & A session with Linda Belgrove this Friday, one of the candidates standing to become the Essex Police and Crime Commissioner. The event is at The Nottage with an 8pm start.

The elections take place on 15th November. Here's the full list of candidates standing in Essex.

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  • Any recommendations on who to vote for here Jason? It seems a bit like a can of worms to me.......
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    You get a first and a second choice preference vote .....but here's one view on it all from former Metropolitan Police chief Lord Ian Blair:
    ""If they were going to break policing up, do it in a completely
    different way, small cities and small towns, perfect. But that is not
    what you have got."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20020451




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  • The democratic conundrum:  we'll still end up with someone as PCC....  even if hardly anyone bothers to vote.
  • Rather like the Guardian journo we've had two pieces of paper through the post on this subject - a polling card, and another polling card. I've heard of voter apathy, but candidate apathy....

  • Whoever wins it is hard to see how he or she can claim any democratic legitimacy.
  • Mandate seems to count for little in our democracy. Part of the objection to Lords reform was the fear that the proposed voting system (PR) would give them a greater mandate than MPs in the Commons... there's an obvious answer to that one until you remember PR was the one thing they definitely didn't want to offer us during the voting reform farce.

  • I am not sure mandate is a subject  this present government wants to investigate too closely!
  • Amen to that Patsy. What a farce, no effort made by candidates to engage with voters (do they receive any money for leafletting at least?).  At least Linda is showing her face, though I have no idea who/what she stands for, so perhaps I ought to visit the Nottage (not perhaps the best use of voters time if they have to go and see/hear each candidate individually).  Sigh.
  • we've had two pieces of paper through the post on this subject - a polling card, and another polling card.

    And everything on the radio for the past fortnight as been about some elections 3,000 miles away.
    Bizarre init.



  • Yeah, well the Americans know all about a mandate don't they. lol
    Billions spent to secure a 1-2% advantage in the popular vote, and all candidates outside the two main parties given zero attention by the US media (according to the completely unbiased Russia Today :)
     

  • I just read the Guardian article Patsy referred to.
    I mostly rate Guardian articles but I thought this one read like a proper Eeyore piece: Why should I bother; nobody cares to tell me anything and it's not as if I agree with the idea anyway.

    This election may take some beating in the way it was foisted upon us, and in its scanty preparation and candidate exposure. But when all is said and done, the process that's set to unfold on 15 November will land us with a PCC for this region and either you have your say in who this will be or not- simple as that.

    And you can read about all the Essex candidates here, listen to one of them on 9 November at The Nottage (see calendar), have an online conversation with another here, and read the view's of another here, see why you haven't been leafleted here, and so on.

    For an on-line savvy community there's not much excuse for not knowing what gives.
  • Call me an Eeyore if you like but I think that democratic accountability rests within the whole community not just the online savvy bunch that you find here! 
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    Yeah, well the Americans know all about a mandate don't they. lol

      :-)


  • Patsy, It's the article's author I'd call an Eeyore, not you ;)
    The preparation for this election has been woefully inadequate and that's a good reason for anyone who can do so to find out more about it.

    I'm not particularly keen on the whole idea of PCCs but what I would hate even more is having someone in that position who got in on a 10% turn out.
    If I have to put up with a PCC I'd at least like to have the solace that the person elected is there by the will of a considerable number of my fellow citizens.
    l fail to see how advising people to spoil their paper or not to vote at all addresses the democratic deficiency in any way.
  • Must admit I am planning to spoil my ballot in this instance.
    Voting as normal gives this joke of a process credibility it does not merit IMO.

    If the PCCs get in with a really low turn out, a bigger point can be made. If the turn out is just a little bit lower than other local elections, the pols can happily ignore complaints about the process.


  • A very large return of spoiled papers would make a much stronger statement about the process than abstaining, which could be interpreted as apathy.
  • ...spoiled papers would make a much stronger statement about the process...

    Does anyone really believe that that would be the official interpretation?
  • Maybe not, but free elections and the fourth estate are there if we care to use them effectively. 
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    A very large return of spoiled papers would make a much stronger statement about the process than abstaining

    Perhaps.
    Although without voting, we risk somebody as authoritarian as our last governments many Home Secretaries   ;-)

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  • Dazzer, I don 't know what you mean by 'if we use them effectively' - you mean after the event? How would that be effective?
  • Pitfall, why are you asking Jason for a recommendation - does he know something that's hidden?
  • liz
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    Who is this body called One Team Policing who's website says:
    "Thank you for using our Police Crime Commissioner web site which we provide primarily for commercial purposes. Our site has no association with the Home Office or any other Government department."
    What does all that mean?

    http://policecrimecommissioner.co.uk/contact
    These PCC folk are going to have a lot of power. Are there any minimum requirements to stand for election? I think they should at least have sat some sort of test, e.g. logic tests.
    Did the Wiv Society invite them? Is the meeting open to everyone or just society members?
  • A question about those standing for election - do they have to declare any interests in companies that might benefit from any privatisation of police services, which they may support?
  • How can they justify a salary of £85,000 for this fancy job?
  • re: "Pitfall, why are you asking Jason for a recommendation - does he know something that's hidden?"

    In a modern democracy we can delegate our decision-making responsibilities to whomsoever we choose...;-p


  • I'm just surprised that as a member of Wivenhoe Society I haven't been notified of this talk.  There may have been a mention of it in the last newsletter which came out a couple of months ago but don't understand why WS haven't emailed their members with this information especially if they are hoping for a good turnout?

     

  • The Wivenhoe Society was approached by Linda Belgrove to give a talk regarding the forthcoming elections for the post of Police and Crime commissioner. She has stated that this will be a factual talk and NO electioneering will be allowed. The meeting is open to everyone not just Wivenhoe Society members. It was felt that, due to the lack of information from the government, this meeting would help Wivenhoveons have a better understanding of what was happening hence the title Who,What,Why and Where. I apologize to those who feel that I have overstepped the mark but at the time there was no information available regarding this election and I thought it would be a very good idea to have an informed talk regarding this matter. Finally it was remiss of me not to have all the WivSoc members e-mailed.   Dave Harrison, Chairman The Wivenhoe Society
  • Will Bramhall, of the Colchester Cycle Campaign, has grilled the candidates on their attitude to 20mph speed limits.
     

    "Colchester Cycling Campaign questioned the Essex candidates for the post of

    Police and Crime Commissioner about their attitude to 20mph. The responses

    are below. I have not received a response from  Nick Alston (Conservatives)

    despite two requests.

     

    Andrew Smith, UKIP, via email: I do not agree with your point mainly
    because

    I do not think all residential areas justify it.  I also prefer more

    attention on dangerous driving at any speed rather than blanket limits on

    speed.  Often the police seem to want to catch speeding but pay almost no

    attention to dangerous driving. In my road even 20 is too high at times but

    on other parts of the road at other times 30 is fine.

     

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    Mick Thwaites, Independent, via Twitter: @willbramhill It's up to your
    local

    authority. It should be self enforcing with suitable traffic management in

    place, not left to the police. I'm not talking about the police not

    involved, just local authority taking the lead, traffic cops enforcing
    other

    areas to reduce casualties.

     

     

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    Valerie Morris-Cook, Labour, via Twitter: @willbramhill I do support 20mph

    around schools, parks and in some housing areas. This is something that all

    local authorities should be managing. As a voice of Essex, I would ensure

    public feeling is known.

     

     

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    Linda Belgrove, Independent, via Twitter: @willbramhill You helped me to
    get

    a 30mph in my village! I support 20mph outside schools and in residential

    areas. Local people to decide.

     

     

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    Robin Tilbrook, English Democrats, via Facebook:  I don't have much of an

    opinion on this but why would it matter if I did?

     

    Will B: You are standing for PPC, aren't you? Police support of local

    authorities vital to success of 20mph in lowering injuries, making towns

    liveable.

     

    Robin T: The Police Commissioner will have no role in deciding on 20mph

    speed limits. He cannot change the law at all.

     

    Will B: Law already in place. Up to LAs to implement it. Police response
    has

    varied by area - their opinion is vital.

     

    Robin T: The Police have no role in deciding the speed limit - only in

    implementation.

     

    Will B: Please see 20splentyforus.org.uk"

     

    The elections for police and crime commissioners are taking place
    nationally

    on November 15. You can find out more about your local candidates at


     

     

     

     

     
  • Confirms my opinion of Ukip and English Democrats - but I wasn't going to vote for them anyway
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