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  • maggieb1maggieb1 August 2011
    Posts: 18
    Meeting at our house on 22nd August, 2011 with Simon Brown, M.D. Taylor Wimpey, Michael Leary Sales Director, Cyril Liddy, David McCaskey and Maggie Bernstein

    We asked a number of questions and these are Simon Brown’s answers that Maggie noted down more or less in order:-

        * When T.W. purchased the shipyard site, the lorry route for materials and plant delivery was a ‘given’

        * They had no knowledge of a ‘marsh road’ being used by the Environmental Agency when the barrier was built. I suggested they find out how that was done.

        * They had not investigated using the river for supplies to be brought in by barge having been told that that was not legally possible.

        * Therefore there was no other route available. Down Bowes Rd, Valley Rd and Anglesey Rd is the route.

        * T.W. did offer to tarmac the edge of Anglesey Rd at the top of Queens Rd but the Anglesey Rd residents didn’t want that to happen.

        * The soil removal which involved 80 lorries a day for six weeks was not strictly ‘contaminated’ but rather had been tested and found ‘unsuitable’ for gardens. Also though Trevor Mills (Site Manager) blamed its presence on Bryants, T.W. and Bryants are the same company.

        * When finished T.W. will have built 94 homes none of which have eco-friendly features.

        * 2 homes are social housing.

        * 30 homes are on the flood plain and have skirting boards painted on both sides, waist high electrical sockets and flood protective doors.

        * House building is dependent on sales. Last year sales picked up. There are 30 houses still to be built and that will probably mean a further 6 months of large lorries such as Brett concrete.

        * The lorry drivers are told when to deliver, that is, after 8am and not after 5pm and to be aware that they are driving through private housing and to be respectful towards those on the route.

        * Once houses are complete there will still be commercial buildings to complete but these are still to be agreed.

     We asked a number of further questions and made some requests and these are Simon Brown’s and Michael Leary’s answers: -

     The whole project will take about another year to 18months to be fully completed.

        * They will put the water dowser to work on dry days to keep the dust down.

        * They do have a record of all deliveries to the site but can’t say what size the lorries recorded are.

        * They will hold a meeting at the Yacht Club at their expense for not more than 6 lorry route residents and some members of Wivenhoe Town Council so that people can express their concerns, complaints etc.

        * They will deliver a newsletter in the next three weeks to all residents on the lorry route to tell them what is happening and so on.

        * They will provide us with a map of the site.

        * They will reiterate with their suppliers the rules governing using our roads.

        * They will repair roads and pavements –potholes, cracks and crushing.

        * They will investigate re-instating the Public Footpath that used to run from just past the black shiplap house (at the beginning of the old shipyard just past the end of Sun Lane) off to the left. It ran round the boundary of the yard and ended up just where the Yacht Club is now.

    We spent about an hour and a half talking to them. Obviously we need to ask people on the three roads and any others that the lorries use to think about asking someone to represent them at the meeting at the Yacht Club.

    Though Simon Brown and Michael Leary did want Town Councillors to attend that meeting, all of us, Cyril, David and myself felt that those suffering the problems should outnumber Town Councillors.

    We would be interested to hear what you all think about  all of the above.
  • JasonJason August 2011
    Posts: 1,733
    It sounds like some very pertinent questions were asked of TW. Fine work in holding the company to account.

    What sticks out for me is:

    "When finished T.W. will have built 94 homes none of which have eco-friendly features.

    2 homes are social housing.

    30 homes are on the flood plain and have skirting boards painted on both sides, waist high electrical sockets and flood protective doors.
    "

    Don't expect to read this information in the sales brochures.

    I've attached some images below taken along Valley Road over the weekend.

    Of course you can't assume that this damage has been done only by HGV's entering along Valley Road, en route to the shipyard. This was a harsh winter remember, leading to potholes all over the town.

    They do seem to be something of a particularly bad problem along Valley Road though.


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  • maggieb1maggieb1 August 2011
    Posts: 18
    Jason
    Thank you for the brilliant photos. How about sending them to the Col B.C. Highways Dept?
    I still have pictures of the pothole I fell into 2 years ago and the photographs of the resulting damage to my left foot!
    Apparently one has 6 years within which to make a personal injury claim!
    I'm pleased that T.W. are going to repair the road and pavements . I told them that I didn't see why our Council Tax should pay for these things.Let's see how long it takes.
    Oh and Joyce Gray reported the lorry that came through at 6.50am. The Sales Director said that the company concerned would be fined!
    Thanks again for your support.
    Maggie


  • JasonJason August 2011
    Posts: 1,733
    I know that Cllr Ford of CBC looks in on this forum and so hopefully he can highlight to Highways the extremely bad state that Valley Road has been allowed to fall into in. I'm sure Cllr Ford doesn't need an online forum to point this out ;)

    In these harsh economic times for local government, it does seem rather harsh that Council Tax money will be spent to correct the damage that *may* have been put in place by a private contractor that is set to make a considerable amount of money out of our community.

    Proving the liability is the problem.

    I'll have a walk down Queens Road and compare the state of the roads.
  • maggieb1maggieb1 August 2011
    Posts: 18
    Dear Jason
    T.W.  agreed at our meeting that they will repair roads and pavements on the lorry route.
    I have emailed Steve Ford several times and he called round the other night to tell me that he hadn't replied to me because his computer is broken. It may be that he can't access the Forum either.
    Again, great photos.
    Thanks
    maggie
  • samisami August 2011
    Posts: 11
    As someone who is buying a TW house this mornings post by Maggie is much appreciated. I knew when buying a waterside home on The Colne that there would be a risk of flooding. What I do not understand (and any insights please!) is why '30 houses' are on the floodplain? And are these all the phase 3 houses? I have been trying to talk to a the sales director at TW but have had no joy. I have spoken to Steve Ford who was very helpful. I have spent months getting school places sorted and keeping my house clean and tidy whilst showing it to every Tom, Dick and Harry and yesterday I accepted an offer and by last night couldn't sleep with excitement. Finally, it has been along day, so could someone please explain the reasons re the future flooding of farmland.

    Many thanks and great forum.
  • samisami August 2011
    Posts: 11
    I hope my post made sense. When I ask about 30 houses it is because how are 30 out of 94 on a floodplain - especially when 30 are left to build. Therefor is it a geographical demarkification or have they just changed the boundaries for the last phase? Does that make sense and does that word exist? Ha.
  • RogerMainwoodRogerMainwood August 2011
    Posts: 146
    Sami - "..could someone please explain the reasons re the future flooding of farmland."

    I think this is a reference to the proposed Shoreline Management Plan for the Colne (but it would be good if someone from Taylor Wimpey would confirm this point for you).

    In brief:-
    The Environment Agency's Shoreline Management Plan (SMP) for South Suffolk and Essex was consulted on last year. At the moment it is with the Secretary of State for sign off. Once it is signed off it will be made public, so the first thing to say is that nothing is definite until that point.

    The proposal is to "hold the line" on Wivenhoe's sea wall defences until 2025. In other words the EA will continue maintaining the sea wall defence in as good a condition as possible for the next 14 years. This will mean, among other things, a continuation of the bush clearance and grass cutting work that is taking place along the sea wall walk. The EA view is that such work is necessary to increase the robustness of the defences by avoiding weak bare earth patches, and to make full inspection of the defences possible.
     
    After 2025 the proposal for the Wivenhoe marshes area is to do "managed realignment by breach of the existing defence, while continuing flood defence to the railway line". This means that the farmland and marshland will be converted to new saltmarsh, and the existing sea wall walk will no longer be there. However, the expectation is that the Environment Agency will create a fresh right of way further in land that will connect to the old railway line path that runs towards Alresford Creek.

    That is all we know at this stage, but if you want further information/assurance I would suggest contacting the Environment Agency office for this area...Environment Agency, Iceni House, Cobham Road, Ipswich IP3 9JD
  • samisami August 2011
    Posts: 11
    Thank you for that Information Bellevue. After a good nights sleep for demarkification see demarkation!
  • maggieb1maggieb1 August 2011
    Posts: 18
    Two lorries before 8am this morning, one carrying an uncovered load. Both reported to T.Wimpey. Their rep (don't know who) on site said they will be fined. Asked how much he didn't know. Asked what happens to the fine money, he didn't know that either. Joyce Gray suggested that it be put into a pot for the lorry route residents. 
    I have also emailed Simon Brown and Michael Leary about this.
  • bellabeebellabee August 2011
    Posts: 1
    I would like to write a story about this please! Anyone who wants to have a chat with me about the trouble call me at the Colchester Gazette, on 01206 508419...Thanks
  • Deli_MikeDeli_Mike August 2011
    Posts: 98
    There's another bonus to all of this.  We get to meet a great variety of very articulate, articulated-lorry drivers down here in the square.  They trundle down here and crawl to a stop, confused as to the effective dead-end they seem to have reached.

    I keep an old draft copy of the Wivenhoe Town Map available so these unfortunate souls can see just how close yet inaccessible their destination is.  You are...here.  You need to be...here, but you have to go this way...

    "Yellow signs?", they then declare, "What yellow signs?"
    "The ones directing construction traffic to Cook's Shipyard.  They start all the way back in Colchester."
    "Really?", they reply, genuinely shocked, "I didn't see them."
    "No, I don't expect they appear on your SatNav...and yes, unfortunately you will need to reverse all the way out of here, sorry."
    "B******s."

    Charming.
  • BikerBiker August 2011
    Posts: 53
    When finished T.W. will have built 94 homes ....... 2 homes are social housing.

    How on earth did they get permission to build with just 2.1% earmarked as social housing?

    Am I also correct in saying plans for commercial property on the site have been abandoned?  This could have brought much needed work and help stop us becoming another dull commuter town.

    30 homes are on the flood plain and have skirting boards painted on both sides, waist high electrical sockets and flood protective doors.


    And no doubt will be impossible to insure against flood.
  • RogerMainwoodRogerMainwood August 2011
    Posts: 146
    I don't think it will be impossible to get house insurance as the houses being built are on an area with a flood risk rating set by the Environment Agency as "Low".

    There is more information on insuring houses on flood plain land here:
    http://www.fastquotes.co.uk/flood-risk-insurance.html

    However, the houses do sit right next to an area (the Wivenhoe Marshes) with a Flood Risk rating of "Significant", and in time that area is likely to be returned to an intertidal saltmarsh. Whether then the cost of house insurance will increase, or even come harder to get, is an interesting question.

    The issue was touched on by Councillor Robert Needham in a Gazette article from 3Oth Dec 2009.
    http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4824365.Councillor___s_fear_over_town_flooding_plans/
    Councillor Robert Needham said:.. “My main reservation is there are plans to build more housing as part of the Cooks Shipyard development, and those properties will be very close to this new flood plain.”
  • HedgiebitHedgiebit August 2011
    Posts: 28
    The "social" housing for the Cooks site was actually built beside the Flag P.H.!!  Beggars belief doesn't it!!!
  • samisami August 2011
    Posts: 11
    Belle vue you really are a font of knowledge and the voice of reason. If I ever get to move to Wivenhoe I'm going to buy you a pint!
  • maggieb1maggieb1 August 2011
    Posts: 18
    Be nice to know Sami if you ever got the long email I sent you about all of your particular concerns? 
    maggiebernstein@hotmail.com
  • samisami August 2011
    Posts: 11
    Hi Maggie,

    I did, and many thanks. I posted a message to you on the 'Colne barrier link '. Your info has been a big help as has just knowing that there are people I can ask questions when I feel I'm out on a limb.
  • Horsey1Horsey1 September 2011
    Posts: 5
    Unfortunately, TW are not the only offenders when it comes to lorries along Valley Road - most business centre traffic seems to use this route-ones carrying catering oil etc are my favourites.

    Before I lived on Valley Road I was in Colchester and the northern approach road was built at the end of the garden behind a very tall screening fence-we had one sumer of dust and noise but nothing like the relentless chug of lorries along V Road and afterwards I became automatically eligible for £8.5K compensation!

    Lets get tough! I was away for the first protest but V happy to join in now!
  • wildwomanofwivenhoewildwomanofwivenhoe September 2011
    Posts: 17

    Points raised at meeting, some are old questions being re-hashed.


    Bryant Homes (Taylor Wimpey) apparently did look into river borne deliveries but were told not legally possible as Wivenhoe’s ‘port status’ had been lost.


    Eco friendly houses are built to a much higher standard of insulation and include other ‘Eco’ requirements, materials etc. This pushes up the price which it was felt would not be borne by purchasers in Wivenhoe. The present houses etc were/are built to at least the usual approved standard.


    2 Social/affordable homes being built on site, another 3 are situated near ‘The Flag’ as agreed by the Council.  I’m pleased to note from the sales plan that the 2 on site possibly have the best views of the river.


    30 homes on the flood plain, seems odd, but one of the plans at the Council Offices does refer to phase 3 (current phase) as being on a flood plain whereas the properties currently standing on the other side of the road are not!   The 30 houses, the Industrial site and the rest of lower Wivenhoe up to West Quay, are protected not just by the barrier but also by the ‘bunding’ that skirts the site from just upstream of the sailing club.


    The footpath passing near the ‘black shiplap house’ off Sun Lane, officially referred to as FP13 was ‘stopped up’ again with Council consent and is replaced with FP12 which runs from Sun Lane alongside the ‘Town Drain’ onto Walter Radcliffe Road/Way (WRR) from there you can either cut through to the wet dock, up towards the new jetty and the along the river to the Sailing (yacht) Club or turn left onto WRR and wind you way through to the Sailing club.


    I know some people who live on the development, who feel that the sooner they (TW) finish the sooner they will be gone, and within reason put up with the ‘infringements’
    Not just the lorries coming and going but also the work starting before 8.00am with the noise and dust and the thumping of the lorries as the have to mount the kerb on WRR because some residents park on the road rather than use their parking spaces and/or garages.


    Do we really want the Lorries queuing up at 7.50am just outside Wivenhoe and then have a convoy trundling along the ‘approved’ route at 8.01am to the site? Although I see from a posting on another topic this is now being achieved. Good thinking!


    TW are not perfect, but they have invested a huge amount of money in the development and they are not going to be put off by the ‘good folks of Wivenhoe’, they are acting according to the consents they have and largely with the law.,Yes, they will try to get the best they can from the site, just wait till they ask for the ‘industrial consent’ to be changed to residential!

  • RogerMainwoodRogerMainwood September 2011
    Posts: 146
    Thanks for the above report. The question of the lack of "eco-friendly" houses being built by Taylor Wimpey is an interesting and complex one.

    Taylor Wimpey have a document called "Analysing the Code for Sustainable Homes" - which outlines the problems from their point of view.
    http://www.taylorwimpeyplc.com/NR/rdonlyres/7B50C4B1-EB0B-40F2-B650-716DC626B292/0/code_for_sustainable_homes_analysis.pdf

    Here is one quote that stood out - "We are also deeply concerned about the lack of an effective and
    skilled supply chain to deliver, install and maintain the volume of low and zero
    carbon technologies required by 2016."

    That reference to 2016 is a reference to a Government target for all new homes built
    from 2016 onwards to be zero carbon rated (equivalent to level six of the Code for sustainable homes).
    The Coalition Government committed in June 2010 to the previous Labour Government's target of making all new homes zero carbon by the year 2016, and I think that commitment is still in place.

    I think the houses being built on the Cooks Shipyard site are on a code level 3.

    As always there are complex viewpoints to be had on the laudable aims of making all new homes zero carbon rated by 2016. The Ecologist magazine had this take on it:
    http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/other_comments/269435/the_danger_of_fetishising_zero_carbon_newbuild.html
  • queeniequeenie September 2011
    Posts: 27
    Ah! This explains a very peculiar phone call which a QRRA member received from Councillor Ford a couple of weeks ago saying that he had promised to let us know if anything came up with regard to Queens Road.  Apparently he said that something was coming up but he wasn't able to tell us what it was or with whom it was concerned!  So much for the good councillors views on democracy and transparency!  I trust if there has been any discussion which might involve the status of Queens Road then those involved will not try to do this by the usual back door! Now that would be a surprise!  As for damage to road by Taylor Wimpey traffic check out the QRRA blog to see the report on flooding and damage to cars, property and road itself circa 2007.
  • queeniequeenie September 2011
    Posts: 27
    Re earlier comments about materials being brought in by barge which TW say they did not know about - WTC Minutes for 17 October 2005 stated that some movement of heavy plant onto the site had already taken place and affected residents had been warned in advance of this.  Heavy equipment and materials would be brought in by barge from Rowhedge.
  • maggieb1maggieb1 September 2011
    Posts: 18
    I would like to get in touch with Horsey, to find out more about 'compensation'-tried sending an email on this site, not sure he or she received it? Can Jason forward a message from me to that person's email address?
    Maggieb

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